[Spoilers for new Doctor Who up to the latest episode, especially series 6.]
So I’ve heard a few people saying they find River Song’s relationship with the Doctor icky following the revelation that she’s the future version of Amy’s and Rory’s baby daughter and I’m now wondering whether I’m some…
I think that you make a lot of good points. I have no problem with the Doctor/River relationship as said relationship currently exists/has been presented (ie he’s only met her once as an infant and then the entirety of their relationship occurs while she’s an adult). What worries me is the idea of the relationship going, not Breaking Dawn-, but Time Traveller’s Wife-style, where the Doctor appears throughout River’s childhood with the knowledge of their future relationship (since their timelines seem to be running roughly opposite), thus removing some element of free will from River’s future decision to be with the Doctor. Now, I’m not saying this is what’s going to happen, but it is a potential development that I worry about. I hope this makes sense, I’m really tired and dehydrated.
Hello! Nice to tumblmeet you, and thanks for responding.
I definitely agree that there are many ways it could go wrong, and it may well do. I haven’t seen or read The time traveller’s wife but yes, it might well become unpleasant if it turns out that River’s attachment to the Doctor began (will begin?) in her early childhood or something like that. I mean, even there I don’t know whether that’s necessarily a problem in itself, but it would have a lot of potential for inequality and unhealthiness in the relationship. (And it would also uncomfortably mirror Amy’s infatuation with him that resulted from her childhood encounter with him.)
I don’t know whether you’re using ‘free will’ in that sense — that her choice of the Doctor as a lover might be strongly influenced by encountering him when she’s a child — or whether you mean that River’s relationship with the Doctor might become literally predetermined. If the latter, I’m not sure that’s how time-travel works in Who. Which may not be very logically rigorous, but my reading has always been that nothing is ever predetermined, no matter how much you muck about with time (to the point where the Doctor could change major historical events like the destruction of Pompeii, he just doesn’t allow himself to do so because if he did the universe might break).
And actually, as long as the uncomfortable-childhood-influence thing doesn’t happen, the mere fact that he will encounter her with knowledge of their relationship that she hasn’t got is of course no more troubling than the fact that in the episodes we’ve seen so far she’s been encountering him with knowledge of their relationship that he hasn’t got. (And in between there seems to be (going to be) a period of approximate equilibrium where they’ve both got the hang of it and each have a diary and can compare notes, as we saw River and future-Doctor doing in The impossible astronaut.) And the opposite-timelines relationship has the potential to be extremely interesting because it lets each one seduce the other. We’ve seen River courting the Doctor from her position of greater confidence and familiarity, and at the other end it could be the same, which is a nice sort of equality-by-averages.
Having said all that, yes, it does appear that River is going to be encountering the Doctor while she is still a child (and probably killing him, assuming it’s her in the space-suit emerging from the sea). And that could be skeevy. Although if at that stage she’s mostly trying to kill him, possibly not. Who knows? We shall see! :)
